Radio Stations Wrestle With Playing John Phillips
- Posted on Sep 24th 2009 5:15PM by James Sullivan
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Oldies radio stations around the country are debating whether to continue playing the music of one of the quintessential '60s groups, the Mamas and the Papas, in the wake of Mackenzie Phillips' allegations that she had an incestuous relationship with her father, group founder John Phillips."I just had a long discussion with our morning show team," said Jay Beau Jones, program director of Boston's WODS, "Oldies 103.3," a long-running CBS Radio affiliate. On Friday morning, disc jockeys Chris Zito and Karen Blake will invite their audience to call in and talk about Phillips and his musical legacy. "Obviously, this is a horrific, car-crash type of story," says Jones. "If the station plays 'California Dreamin'' or 'Monday, Monday,' my concern is the audience will have a negative reaction and turn off the radio."
In contrast, Dan Allen, creator of Clear Channel's "Real Oldies" format, says he doesn't anticipate any lasting boycott of the band's music. "If we stop playing them, who are we going to hurt?" he says. "I don't think we can punish John Phillips," who died in 2001.
If true, Allen adds, Mackenzie Phillips' claims are "abhorrent. I have two daughters myself. But I don't think it's going to cause a backlash."
After giving PEOPLE magazine excerpts from her new memoir, 'High on Arrival,' Mackenzie Phillips appeared on 'Oprah' and 'Today' this week, repeating her claim that her father raped her while both were under the influence of drugs, and that the two had intermittent sexual relations during the next 10 years.
"My father abused me, but he wasn't a monster," she writes. "He was a tortured man who led a tortured existence."
John Phillips, the son of a hard-drinking ex-Marine, grew up in Alexandria, Va., breaking into music on the folk scene of New York's Greenwich Village in the early 1960s. With two fellow folk veterans, Canadian Denny Doherty and Baltimore product "Mama" Cass Elliot, and a young Californian named Michelle Gilliam -- who would become his second wife -- he started the Mamas and the Papas. The folk-rock quartet's combination of exuberant group vocals, saloon-style piano and lush arrangements by some of the West Coast's best session musicians, led by drummer Hal Blaine, made the group a key part of California's emergence at the center of the pop world.
Phillips was instrumental, along with producer Lou Adler, in the creation of the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967, which introduced the Who, Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin to the American mainstream. He wrote and produced the Summer of Love anthem 'San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair),' recorded by his colleague Scott McKenzie, with whom he would co-write another huge hit, the Beach Boys' 'Kokomo,' in 1988.
Scoring 10 Top 40 hits in two years, the Mamas and the Papas had a notoriously rocky relationship behind the scenes. Phillips wrote one of the group's biggest hits, 'I Saw Her Again,' in response to Michelle's affair with Doherty (which, curiously, Doherty sang lead on).
After decades of heavy drug use -- Phillips once claimed he injected himself with cocaine and heroin every 15 minutes for two years -- "Papa John," as he titled his autobiography, had a liver transplant in 1992. He died at age 65 in March, 2001.
Sainthood is not exactly a prerequisite for election to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as the Mamas and the Papas were inducted in 1998.
"We don't have any problem playing music by other people who have done heinous things," says Clear Channel's Allen. "Rockers 'n' rollers aren't always good boys."
Even so, few rock 'n' roll images have been tarnished quite as badly as John Phillips' this week.
Michelle Phillips, the bandleader's second of four wives, said this week that she does not believe her stepdaughter's allegations.
"Mackenzie has a lot of mental illness," she told the Hollywood Reporter. "She did 'Celebrity Rehab' and now she writes a book. The whole thing is timed." (However, Michelle's daughter, Chynna Phillips, has stated she believes her half-sister Mackenzie's allegations.)
Cammy Blackstone, a longtime on-air personality on San Francisco's KFRC who now works at San Francisco City Hall, had a similar reaction. Having interviewed Mackenzie Phillips on the radio, she wonders why the former child star of the '70s sitcom 'One Day at a Time' would feel compelled to divulge her story now.
When Blackstone was on the air, there were numerous episodes involving core Oldies artists -- Phil Spector's murder case, James Brown's domestic problems, accusations of child molestation against Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter. "I don't recall any listeners every calling and saying, 'Why are you playing that child molester?" she says.
WODS's Jones also wonders where program directors should draw the line when it comes to unsavory news about popular artists: "Do you stop playing songs by Phil Spector or Elvis? Maybe our listeners want to hear 'California Dreamin'' and remember the Mamas and the Papas as the hit machine they were. We said, 'Let's let the audience decide.'"
Radio corporations do tend to reassess their playlists when news stories break, says Blackstone. "After 9/11, we didn't play 'Great Balls of Fire' or 'You Dropped a Bomb on Me.' You do have to be considerate about people's emotions over what's happening in the news."
But in the case of the Mamas and the Papas, although John Phillips was the group's acknowledged mastermind, most listeners aren't likely to "make that connection," says Blackstone. "It's the song more than the group."
Allen agrees. "The face of the Mamas and the Papas without a doubt was Mama Cass," he says. "And she did nothing wrong."





Reader Comments(1 of 14)
D.J.at 9-24-2009
She's probably making it all up since she's such a looser.
dscotttxat 9-24-2009
Just as people who own live in glass houses should not throw stones, people who cannot spell should not cast aspersions on other people.
Martinat 9-24-2009
What is a looser, someone who unties knots? Learn how to spell loser before calling someone it...
Bevat 9-24-2009
So, you have walked in her shoes eh? Drug addition and alcoholism can twist the thinking process of any person. It offers no prejudice, no logic and no mercy.
I cannot excuse the behaviors but in no way do I feel it is right blame Mackenzie. Yes, I agree she probably did know it was wrong. Yes she physically could have walked away. Personal knowledge affords me to know that is not always what makes sense when your frame of reference is compromised. I have no doubt she was 'groomed' for many years. Typical for the scenario. In her frame of mind coupled with drugs and alcohol, I would guess she found a way to justify it at the time.
Looks to me like she has paid the price for many years. Drugs and alcohol would have made some attempt to drowned out what you cannot cope with. I hear you are only as sick as your secrets. Can you imagine coming to reality (say in rehab) to wake up and own what you have been a part of! The personal devastation would send most back to D & A. I think she has tried many times to walk away. There were sooooo many boundaries crossed.
I wish her well and some peace of mind from coming out and letting go. This could not have been an easy task.
Franat 10-05-2009
I agree. Why after all these years? She is probably low on funds or in need of attention and devised this publicity stunt. She stated that at some point it became consentual... at what point... Drug addict...So stupid!!!
mycynat 9-25-2009
So are you D.J........its spelled L O S E R not looser
susuat 9-26-2009
loser, not looser spell check please- you dont want to be a "looser" at spelling do you?
Kayat 9-27-2009
I agree. She is trash. The father will burn in Hell and she is so disguisting. No one should buy her book or even tune in.
GABat 9-24-2009
You really should learn to spell before calling people names.
Connieat 9-25-2009
Of course she's making it up, she needs money and he's not even here to defend himself. One other person said she had a troubled childhood, probably because of her father, they looked real cozy in all of the interviews I saw them do that aired on tv. Not like someone who was afraid of the man they claimed raped them. That is not something that you get used to, and everyday that he is in your face all you will see is disgust and will not be sitting next to them smiling doing interviews, come on now, why she picking on a dead man that can't say yay or nay. It's a shame.
jmat 9-25-2009
Looser, loser, not to worry DJ, you got your point across and you are RIGHT
Sunfaccra51at 9-25-2009
Notice how she waited till he was gone and couldn't respond?
I've NEVER seen any talent in this person and as someone else posted, she comes along with "woe is me" every few years to try to boost her career...or should we say lack of career
meat 9-27-2009
You are an idiot dj. Always look out for the abuser and lets hang the victim. Pathetic
Gailat 9-26-2009
I think she is a bold face liar. Why not bring out something today that her father can't deny from the grave. I remeber her and her father walking around Summit and New Providence, NJ when they were in at FairOaks in Summit. She should be ashamed of herself. She is a total failure trying to comeback on falsehoods about her father.
beavisat 9-24-2009
Are you freaking kidding me, mikel hail him as a hero jackson paid out millions to alledged pedeophile victims and do you think for a minute the radio would stop playing that, well how is this one bit different than michale jackson????????????????????????????????
Scottat 9-24-2009
Right on, Beavis. You hit the nail on the head.
odasanat 9-24-2009
Racist!
kayat 9-24-2009
Odasan, you must be an Obama supporter based on your insipidly stupid and baseless comment! When there is no other arguement to make scream racism! Me thinkst thou protest too much!
momof3at 9-25-2009
My question is simple -- WHERE WAS MCKENZIE'S MOM all that time? There's no way she could not have known what was happening & where was Michelle Phillips, dear step-mom? In the interviews, and I admit, I only saw part of them, McKenzie stated that there were times when she was younger that she would wake up with her pants around her ankles & her dad sleeping next to her -- SICK & depraved. No wonder McKenzie's life was so screwed up. Her whole family was drug induced 24/7. Give the girl a break here. Anyone growing up in that 'household' would end up with major problems. HE was the adult at the time, keeping his daughter drugged up & the rest of his family -- if you look closely at some of those old pictures, you can sort of see that 'papa' & daughter were high & when you're high, free & easy -- everything is beautiful, man -- right? it was the 60s/70s -- and it was SICK. There was no one to help her & as she said, daddy wasn't violent, no bruises (accept from needles), so who was going to believe her back then? Especially when MOMMY/step mom looked the other way!
Beckat 9-28-2009
If you actually study the case, it becomes clear that it was an extortion scheme against Michael Jackson. And his insurance company, not Michael himself, paid out the money. Michael wanted to go to trial but his advisers encouraged him not to. There was absolutely no proof to be found, or the district attorney would have forced it to go to trial.
However, your point is a good one. We have no way of proving whether or not this woman was molested, and there's no reason to stop playing John Phillips' music.