Ian McCulloch: 'U2 Are for Teenagers'
- Posted on Nov 25th 2009 4:52AM by Richard Moore
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Echo and the Bunnymen's Ian McCulloch has once again singled out U2 for a tongue-lashing, branding the Irish megastars' music as "flag-waving" and "immature."McCulloch has regularly stated his aversion to Bono and friends and appears to love using the press to express his disdain. Last year he referred to them as "spud peelers" whose ambition was to join music's elite stars like Bob Geldof, Sting and "all them c---s who no one really likes."
This time around, while he was slightly less vitriolic, McCulloch continued to ridicule U2 for appealing only to a younger, less-mature fan base and being nothing more than a commercial enterprise. "Bands all say they want to be as big as U2, but weirdly no one ever says they're influenced by them," he told New York magazine. "That's because there's nothing there, really."
He continued, "They've got good tunes, and you can see that it works on 14-year-olds. But I can't see mature people or kids, who are looking for something, something deep -- something that you just know it's art and it's going to change your life -- caring. For U2, it's always flag-waving and 'Yippee.'"
Not that McCulloch's jealous of course. Echo & the Bunnymen begin a UK tour of mid-sized theatres in December, while U2 have recently concluded a tour of the world's biggest sports stadiums.





Reader Comments(1 of 6)
Philat 11-25-2009
Ian McCulloch is seriously ignoring reality in his statement that U2 dont appeal to those seeking something deeper. Myself and countless others (from ALL age ranges) that I know travel around the US and world seeing U2 when they tour because they are the band that offer more than just amazing songs. They are uplifting, inspirational and we always leave the show wanting to make the world better (along with having had the time of our lives in the process). In my opinion, no other band (with REM and Midnight Oil a close second) out of the hundreds of bands and artists I have see in my 35 years, do what U2 do to an audience. They are a band that continues to gather new fans while holding onto the fans that have been there from the beginning. At no other show do you see people from all walks of life enjoying the same thing and that is the probably the greatest part of a U2 show.
I have never heard anyone say that about an Echo and the Bunnymen show.
McCulloch is just a pathetic aging former rock star at this point.
t-boneat 11-30-2009
Really? In my 40+ years of seeing live music I don't think anyone does or ever will touch a Pink Floyd show and I've seen thousands of shows.
pemaat 11-30-2009
i heard u2's demo over 20 years ago. they were great but have slipped. bono is too ego driven for my tastes. i would like to see what they can do as solo artists. maybe we will see some great things.
Phillipat 11-30-2009
Complete nonsense! What have you done to better the world that U2 has inspired you to do? Cmon lets have it, what have they inspired you to do. You get so hight that the concert is amazing and you flick your bick dry by waving in the air with the other 30,000 that make sure the $150 to $300 ticket was worth it. Keep it real your a groupie!
Steffan Piperat 11-25-2009
Ian McCullough loses all credibility by using such language like 'Spud Peelers.'
It's not hard to formulate thoughtful criticism of U2, especially being out in front as they always are. Doing it in a snide and inarticulate manner just tells the world that you're one of the teenagers listening to U2 that you accuse them of pandering to.
If you (Ian McCullough) really have that hard of a time gleaning artistic merit from the body of their musical catalogue, I would suggest you give up touring and music yourself and invest in a lifelong education. It's apparent that the over-abundance of drug use has ravaged any reason you may have once had when you were relevant.
Please ... get a grip. And leave the antiquated and derogatory Irish put-downs to the past.
Phillipat 11-30-2009
Your an idiot! Your commenting just to comment and have no knowledge of music or who echo is which is clear in your statement of gibborish!
Steffan Piperat 11-30-2009
No. You're a fool. I know exactly who Echo and The Bunnymen are. I also know who Ian McCullough is as well. And if 'Killing Moon' is the high water mark of his career, he hasn't done much. The biggest release out of him or his band is 'yet another' re-release of old music that he's repackaged numerous times already. Give us a break.
It's easy to criticize U2 like I said, just read the comments on this article and you can see how diverse the vitriolic comments get. But at least U2 keep working to put out something new and push themselves even if you don't like it.
The fact that they can produce some crap albums like NLOTH, is a perfect example that these are just a bunch of guys dedicated to the craft of music where not everything turns out for the best. But I can assure you they'll have another album in the next few years that will probably blow the last one out of the water.
Also, U2 have been pretty much touring continuously for the last 30 years. I don't know of any other band that can say that. Just go online and follow the tour dates. They're on the bloody road for the bulk of their lives.
What the hell have you done?
Kathryneat 11-25-2009
Mac is RIGHT. He gets a hard time for being the only one out there willing to say what he thinks. Hope he keeps doing so. EATB - best band in the world.
Jaze Zoninovat 11-30-2009
EATB are a bunch of never-were's who couldn't crack the American music scene and are immensely jealous of U2's global success. Last time I checked, Ian wasn't meeting with the Pope and heads of state over global matters. He was too busy coming up with new ways to slam Bono while continuing his his "who cares" tour!
Scullyat 11-30-2009
Jaze, you are mistaken when you say EATBM never cracked the American music scene. They have plenty of fans in the US. What does Bono's political ambitions have to do with this take on his music?
Markat 12-01-2009
I have seen the Bunnymen from 1983 until present and no other band has their way with songs like the bunnymen. I remember seeing them in Boston at THe Channel Club and later at Great Woods in Mansfield, Ma. I guess I started losing faith when Wes didn't show for a Providence RI club show I went with when only 20 people showed up.
I have to say that despite all that ... The KIlling Moon which a Nasa astranaut is going to play in space soon, silver, my kingdom, crocodiles, heaven up here, and so many more sound so good even today 25 years later. Lets face it U2 has the same riffs on every song and they have sold out big time. I am interested in communicating with any bunnymen fans. Send me a reply and maybe we can exchange email adresess. Oh ... my favorite new artists include Tony Clifton and Amy Winehouse.
Mark in Boston USA One of Macs favorite cities!
Michael Hawkat 11-25-2009
He's absolutely right, U2 is the most overblown band in history. The rhythm section hasn't written anything new in decades and everyone on here ready to jump on someone's back for ripping on them is ridiculous. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. They are a blank band with blank music and when he says they appeal to teenagers, well, you don't have to be in your teens to have the mentality of a teenager. I'm not an Echo fan either, but I'd rather pay $200 to see them in a mid-size venue then seeing U2 from half a mile away at the Rose Bowl for free.
Oh and Richard, I love your snide comment in the last paragraph. It basically made McCulloch's point.
tubslutat 11-30-2009
As a native born Irishman...if I don't know you, and you call me a potato-anything. I kick your ass. Just reinforcing another stereotype.
Phillipat 11-30-2009
Well said Michael!
julesat 11-26-2009
The Killers and Coldplay are just 2 of the current act that say they have been influenced by U2.
suzyat 11-30-2009
And I love them all!!!
Jessicaat 11-30-2009
As are The Script.
tubslut's a potatoe fookerat 11-30-2009
tubslut dont be lippin off you potatoe fooker, just be glad your not bein buggered by a englishman.
Saint Subversiveat 11-26-2009
As much as I love alot of Echo's earlier works, I dont see them selling out massive stadiums, and have they even managed to create new albums since the 80s? There is no question that early "Boy" era U2 sounded almost exactly like early Echo (and both were brilliant), but U2 has gone way beyond anything I would have predicted to people 25 years ago when they were one of my "cult" bands that few others had heard of. I strongly dislike alot of the musical paths U2 has taken over the years (especially the vastly overrated ATYCLB which was a smash hit seller) but they put Ian and the Echos in the dust loooong ago.
Saint Subversiveat 11-26-2009
As I said, I havent seen anything new from Ian and the Bunnymen since the 80s, except for a rather lame "reunion" DVD concert that I saw several years ago, where a rather obese and short-haired Ian stood at the microphone and chain smoked (!) while singing the songs, sometimes exhaling the smoke along with the lyrics. It was a bizarre performance to say the least. Watch that and consider the source. Ian's trying to latch a headline onto U2's success and try to get somebody to notice him. Too bad we barely saw him the first time 25 years ago, and have long since ceased to care whether we ever do again. Ian WHO??